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		<title>By: Phil Bunch</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-50741</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Bunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi: I&#039;m living in Medellin, Colombia and am interested in obtaining virus free propagation material for Andean tubers such as oca, mashua and ulluco. A local supermarket carries mashua and ulluco on occasion but their source is probably not virus free. If anyone can help me with this Please contact me at phil.bunch@zoho.com .

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi: I&#8217;m living in Medellin, Colombia and am interested in obtaining virus free propagation material for Andean tubers such as oca, mashua and ulluco. A local supermarket carries mashua and ulluco on occasion but their source is probably not virus free. If anyone can help me with this Please contact me at <a href="mailto:phil.bunch@zoho.com">phil.bunch@zoho.com</a> .</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Planting Out in the Heirloom Garden &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-36249</link>
		<dc:creator>Planting Out in the Heirloom Garden &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] both from my Belgian friend Frank.  This is a really interesting plant, one of the so called Lost Crops of the Incas.  I did a post with pictures of the tubers here.  This has the potential to become a very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] both from my Belgian friend Frank.  This is a really interesting plant, one of the so called Lost Crops of the Incas.  I did a post with pictures of the tubers here.  This has the potential to become a very [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yacón Tubers and Growing Tips &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-29913</link>
		<dc:creator>Yacón Tubers and Growing Tips &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] plants I grew this year from the stem tubers I got from my Friend Frank in Belgium.  Of all of my Lost Crops of the Incas, this may have turned out to be the most [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plants I grew this year from the stem tubers I got from my Friend Frank in Belgium.  Of all of my Lost Crops of the Incas, this may have turned out to be the most [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogger Seed Network &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-20415</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogger Seed Network &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I do have a little bit of garlic planting stock left, and in a few months I hope to also offer Andean tubers.  Feel free to contact me if you are interested.  I also have some White Alpine Strawberry [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I do have a little bit of garlic planting stock left, and in a few months I hope to also offer Andean tubers.  Feel free to contact me if you are interested.  I also have some White Alpine Strawberry [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Help Wanted &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-20345</link>
		<dc:creator>Help Wanted &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not finished yet either!  In a few months my Yacón, Oca, Mashua and so on will be ready, and I will send this out to some people.  I&#8217;m also sure I&#8217;ll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not finished yet either!  In a few months my Yacón, Oca, Mashua and so on will be ready, and I will send this out to some people.  I&#8217;m also sure I&#8217;ll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Garden Pictures June 2008 &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-13727</link>
		<dc:creator>Garden Pictures June 2008 &#124; Bifurcated Carrots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it&#8217;s growing.  These all seem to be doing well.  You can see a picture of the tubers in my Lost Crops of the Incas post from several weeks ago.  Some of these tubers came from Lieven, and some came from Real [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s growing.  These all seem to be doing well.  You can see a picture of the tubers in my Lost Crops of the Incas post from several weeks ago.  Some of these tubers came from Lieven, and some came from Real [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ullucu &#171; In the toad&#8217;s garden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ullucu &#171; In the toad&#8217;s garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at Bifucated Carrots writes about ullucu and other crops from the andes. Do pay him a visit.    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over at Bifucated Carrots writes about ullucu and other crops from the andes. Do pay him a visit.    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ullucu &#171; Skrubtudsens have</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ullucu &#171; Skrubtudsens have</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fra Bifucated Carrots skriver også om ullucu og andre afgrøder fra andesbjergene.    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fra Bifucated Carrots skriver også om ullucu og andre afgrøder fra andesbjergene.    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-8430</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Patrick
i just came back here to say I finally identified it, and saw that you had done it already! Great job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Patrick<br />
i just came back here to say I finally identified it, and saw that you had done it already! Great job.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention another plant: chinese Yam(dioscorea batatas) (yes, to make things more confusing?...), which is a superb climber, reaching over 3 metres, but I never managed to harvest big tubers, even after 3 years (they are perfectly winterhard), the foliage is magnificent though, autumn colors included.
I was in New Zealand a few years ago, I saw the yams, but unfortunately I couldn&#039;t take them (backpacking).  I did search for addresses to obtain some afterwards, but I never did find a good address.  
People also told me kumara is still mainly grown in the surroundings of Dargaville (which has a splendid forest nearby:Waipoua forest with the amazing Tane Mahuta tree),
I believe this part of the world is one of the best for growing crops, I saw bananas, cherimoyas, guava,feijoa sellowiana,grapefruits,avocados,psidium cattleyanum,...I did wonder however why there were so little back-yard gardens with vegetables, some folks told me it was because of the cheap prices of vegetables in the shop, but I have some difficulties accepting this, maybe I was just in the wrong place..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention another plant: chinese Yam(dioscorea batatas) (yes, to make things more confusing?&#8230;), which is a superb climber, reaching over 3 metres, but I never managed to harvest big tubers, even after 3 years (they are perfectly winterhard), the foliage is magnificent though, autumn colors included.<br />
I was in New Zealand a few years ago, I saw the yams, but unfortunately I couldn&#8217;t take them (backpacking).  I did search for addresses to obtain some afterwards, but I never did find a good address.<br />
People also told me kumara is still mainly grown in the surroundings of Dargaville (which has a splendid forest nearby:Waipoua forest with the amazing Tane Mahuta tree),<br />
I believe this part of the world is one of the best for growing crops, I saw bananas, cherimoyas, guava,feijoa sellowiana,grapefruits,avocados,psidium cattleyanum,&#8230;I did wonder however why there were so little back-yard gardens with vegetables, some folks told me it was because of the cheap prices of vegetables in the shop, but I have some difficulties accepting this, maybe I was just in the wrong place..</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank, Patrick

Well, when I was growing up, we had yams looking very much like your orcas seen in the second picture regularly for Sunday roasts. The yams became soft and squishy, tasting sweetish, floury and a faint woodsy flavour. Mmmmm I must roast some someday soon! The kinds of yams we get here are both the long thin tuber and the short stubby one in your picture, although the more common variety is the short stubby one.

I&#039;ve not seen the other kinds in the first photo.

Taro is called taro here in NZ Aotearoa. I&#039;ve never been to the Islands, but I suspect they would call them yams up there.

Kumara on the other hand are another kettle of fish. A guilty treat, indulged too often, is kumara chips from the local burger place. Kumara are sweet potato. When I was a wee lad, you could only get the purple kind - grown in Dargaville - knobly and gnarly and delicious oh so delicious roasted. Now you can get orange kumara and also a pale gold one. The purple kind is still the best kind and most popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank, Patrick</p>
<p>Well, when I was growing up, we had yams looking very much like your orcas seen in the second picture regularly for Sunday roasts. The yams became soft and squishy, tasting sweetish, floury and a faint woodsy flavour. Mmmmm I must roast some someday soon! The kinds of yams we get here are both the long thin tuber and the short stubby one in your picture, although the more common variety is the short stubby one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not seen the other kinds in the first photo.</p>
<p>Taro is called taro here in NZ Aotearoa. I&#8217;ve never been to the Islands, but I suspect they would call them yams up there.</p>
<p>Kumara on the other hand are another kettle of fish. A guilty treat, indulged too often, is kumara chips from the local burger place. Kumara are sweet potato. When I was a wee lad, you could only get the purple kind &#8211; grown in Dargaville &#8211; knobly and gnarly and delicious oh so delicious roasted. Now you can get orange kumara and also a pale gold one. The purple kind is still the best kind and most popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2008/03/lost-crops-of-the-incas/comment-page-1/#comment-8100</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, Christopher,
In New Zealand ocas  (oxalis tuberosa)are indeed called &#039;New Zealand yams&#039; or just yams.  It is however a bit confusing, yam (or:coco-yam) is an other name for taro (colocasia esculenta), which is grown a lot in Polynesian Islands.  Sweet potatoes (ipomoa batatas) are sometimes (or mostly?) called kumara in New Zealand. The ocas in New Zealand seem to have been selected on longer and thinner tubers,similar to the one on the right in the lower picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, Christopher,<br />
In New Zealand ocas  (oxalis tuberosa)are indeed called &#8216;New Zealand yams&#8217; or just yams.  It is however a bit confusing, yam (or:coco-yam) is an other name for taro (colocasia esculenta), which is grown a lot in Polynesian Islands.  Sweet potatoes (ipomoa batatas) are sometimes (or mostly?) called kumara in New Zealand. The ocas in New Zealand seem to have been selected on longer and thinner tubers,similar to the one on the right in the lower picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christopher,

Thanks for the comment!

Are you sure about them being called yams?  I always thought yam was another name for sweet potato.  As I understand it, Oca usually stays crisp after cooking, but sweet potatoes will become soft when cooked.  Are your yams soft or crisp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christopher,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment!</p>
<p>Are you sure about them being called yams?  I always thought yam was another name for sweet potato.  As I understand it, Oca usually stays crisp after cooking, but sweet potatoes will become soft when cooked.  Are your yams soft or crisp?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Oca are known as yams here in Aotearoa NZ. They are grown commercially and are a winter crop. We usually roast them - little bit olive oil, salt, hot oven, or put them around your roast. The come out soft, squishy and very yummy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oca are known as yams here in Aotearoa NZ. They are grown commercially and are a winter crop. We usually roast them &#8211; little bit olive oil, salt, hot oven, or put them around your roast. The come out soft, squishy and very yummy.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Misshathorn, Sheila and OG,

Thanks for stopping by.

Hi Mike,

I remember reading about amaranth on your blog.  I really want to make sure you know not only do I love your blog, but I also really enjoy the comments you leave here and other places.

I think there are lots of reasons to avoid transporting plants long distances, and you mentioned several good ones.  Another is acclimation issues, as you have a much better chance of success if you grow something that&#039;s already suited to your local climate.  After all, why transport anything half way across the world when you can get it locally?  Plants are no exception.  It&#039;s important to understand however, that there are few known issues of diseases or invasive species when it comes to fruit and vegetable seeds.  Tubers and live plants are another story!

On the other hand, free trade of plant genetics between gardeners is very important to global biodiversity.  The Incan plants mentioned in this post are in reality endangered in their local habitat.  Just like the rest of us, the Andean people can more easily go to the supermarket and buy processed foods than they can find their own local foods.  If worldwide interest in these plants doesn&#039;t develop, they will simply disappear.  It&#039;s really their last hope that they be promoted by home gardeners.

&lt;a href=http://www.cipotato.org/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CIP&lt;/a&gt; is the main organization promoting native Andean foods, and they publish a list of all individuals and organizations that have requested plant materials from them.  Only a handful of requests were made in 2007.  At the moment, there is simply not enough interest in these plants to ensure their survival.

Of course invasive plants and diseases will always be an issue, but when it comes to Agricultural Biodiversity, the more places a particular plant is grown the better.  

There is also a particular camaraderie that goes together with gardeners sharing plant materials.  It&#039;s exciting and fun for bloggers to share plant materials and grow each other&#039;s plants.  There are simply not enough people growing heirloom plants in their gardens, and you are only too familiar with the issues of growing it on a commercial basis!  

Anything I can do to promote the idea of heirloom gardening or make it exciting, I will do.  Even if this means sending a packet of otherwise ordinary seeds half way across the world in an envelope.  We all have to make decisions about what things are important enough to do, even if they are a little wasteful of natural resources or money, and this is one thing I think is worth while.

Sharing seeds and transporting them long distances is also a very important part of world history.  Europeans brought seeds with them on the Mayflower, and until WWII they were a major part of world commerce.  To me it&#039;s not taking a plant out of it&#039;s native habitat that&#039;s the controversial thing to do, and it&#039;s all the attempts to restrict or regulate people&#039;s freedom to use any genetic plant material anywhere they want that&#039;s the unnatural thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Misshathorn, Sheila and OG,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by.</p>
<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>I remember reading about amaranth on your blog.  I really want to make sure you know not only do I love your blog, but I also really enjoy the comments you leave here and other places.</p>
<p>I think there are lots of reasons to avoid transporting plants long distances, and you mentioned several good ones.  Another is acclimation issues, as you have a much better chance of success if you grow something that&#8217;s already suited to your local climate.  After all, why transport anything half way across the world when you can get it locally?  Plants are no exception.  It&#8217;s important to understand however, that there are few known issues of diseases or invasive species when it comes to fruit and vegetable seeds.  Tubers and live plants are another story!</p>
<p>On the other hand, free trade of plant genetics between gardeners is very important to global biodiversity.  The Incan plants mentioned in this post are in reality endangered in their local habitat.  Just like the rest of us, the Andean people can more easily go to the supermarket and buy processed foods than they can find their own local foods.  If worldwide interest in these plants doesn&#8217;t develop, they will simply disappear.  It&#8217;s really their last hope that they be promoted by home gardeners.</p>
<p><a href=http://www.cipotato.org/ rel="nofollow">CIP</a> is the main organization promoting native Andean foods, and they publish a list of all individuals and organizations that have requested plant materials from them.  Only a handful of requests were made in 2007.  At the moment, there is simply not enough interest in these plants to ensure their survival.</p>
<p>Of course invasive plants and diseases will always be an issue, but when it comes to Agricultural Biodiversity, the more places a particular plant is grown the better.  </p>
<p>There is also a particular camaraderie that goes together with gardeners sharing plant materials.  It&#8217;s exciting and fun for bloggers to share plant materials and grow each other&#8217;s plants.  There are simply not enough people growing heirloom plants in their gardens, and you are only too familiar with the issues of growing it on a commercial basis!  </p>
<p>Anything I can do to promote the idea of heirloom gardening or make it exciting, I will do.  Even if this means sending a packet of otherwise ordinary seeds half way across the world in an envelope.  We all have to make decisions about what things are important enough to do, even if they are a little wasteful of natural resources or money, and this is one thing I think is worth while.</p>
<p>Sharing seeds and transporting them long distances is also a very important part of world history.  Europeans brought seeds with them on the Mayflower, and until WWII they were a major part of world commerce.  To me it&#8217;s not taking a plant out of it&#8217;s native habitat that&#8217;s the controversial thing to do, and it&#8217;s all the attempts to restrict or regulate people&#8217;s freedom to use any genetic plant material anywhere they want that&#8217;s the unnatural thing to do.</p>
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