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	<title>Comments on: Link Between Disappearing Bees and GM Crops?</title>
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		<title>By: No bees, no food : Columbia Valley News</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-35885</link>
		<dc:creator>No bees, no food : Columbia Valley News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bees“ • If Bees Disappear, We’ll All Be Stung • Monsanto, are you Killing Our Bees? • Link Between Disappearing Bees and GM Crops? • European Bees Also Taking a Nosedive - Perhaps GM Crops? • Could genetically modified crops [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bees“ • If Bees Disappear, We’ll All Be Stung • Monsanto, are you Killing Our Bees? • Link Between Disappearing Bees and GM Crops? • European Bees Also Taking a Nosedive &#8211; Perhaps GM Crops? • Could genetically modified crops [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Connee</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-30594</link>
		<dc:creator>Connee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone has a point! The point is that Monsanto has an agenda to control the world&#039;s food supply. To do this they have purchase 90+% of the seed in this world. Bayer Advanced, also, came out with a nicotinic pesticide &quot;Marathon&quot; a new generation of pesticide and the introduction of this pesticide coincides with CCD. Using the Precautionary Principle, the government of France banned this pesticide immediately and they do not have a problem with their bees. EU has also banned GM crops. If our immune system is in our gut and we eat these crops, and the bee ingests these pesticides, and the Bt, GM crops etc., it makes sense that the little guys do not have a chance to stand up to Monsanto. Remember Einstein said that when the bees go, humanity has about 4 years...coincidently this all began in earnest 4 years before 2012..makes you wonder and can scare you.....we destroyed ourselves for GREED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone has a point! The point is that Monsanto has an agenda to control the world&#8217;s food supply. To do this they have purchase 90+% of the seed in this world. Bayer Advanced, also, came out with a nicotinic pesticide &#8220;Marathon&#8221; a new generation of pesticide and the introduction of this pesticide coincides with CCD. Using the Precautionary Principle, the government of France banned this pesticide immediately and they do not have a problem with their bees. EU has also banned GM crops. If our immune system is in our gut and we eat these crops, and the bee ingests these pesticides, and the Bt, GM crops etc., it makes sense that the little guys do not have a chance to stand up to Monsanto. Remember Einstein said that when the bees go, humanity has about 4 years&#8230;coincidently this all began in earnest 4 years before 2012..makes you wonder and can scare you&#8230;..we destroyed ourselves for GREED.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert McG has a valid point.  Read a article in a local agriculturalmagazine, a researcher who has worked with tadpoles and frogs for close on 30 years has found that tadpoles exposed to fertilizers and other chemicals are more prone to other diseases as their immune systems are weaker. It is just the tip of the iceburg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert McG has a valid point.  Read a article in a local agriculturalmagazine, a researcher who has worked with tadpoles and frogs for close on 30 years has found that tadpoles exposed to fertilizers and other chemicals are more prone to other diseases as their immune systems are weaker. It is just the tip of the iceburg.</p>
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		<title>By: elzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>elzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you wanna be sure, investigate. Try to isolate this Bt Gene from Bees and/or their  offspring. It should be easy. What you need is the DNAmarker. If this is available to independant investigators? I do not know.
It is just like two populations of rats. Both populations were fed with corn. The X population with transgenic corn. The Y population with natural corn.
What did happen with the X population? Ask Monsanto... 
Repeat it a few times until the difference is significant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wanna be sure, investigate. Try to isolate this Bt Gene from Bees and/or their  offspring. It should be easy. What you need is the DNAmarker. If this is available to independant investigators? I do not know.<br />
It is just like two populations of rats. Both populations were fed with corn. The X population with transgenic corn. The Y population with natural corn.<br />
What did happen with the X population? Ask Monsanto&#8230;<br />
Repeat it a few times until the difference is significant.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Arcane</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas Arcane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 23:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ITz coming. Pack your rice, because the worldwide super famine is just around the corner and that&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ITz coming. Pack your rice, because the worldwide super famine is just around the corner and that&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion is starting to sound like a margarine commercial.

Thanks for the comments everyone!  

Thanks for stopping by, and for caring about this very important subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is starting to sound like a margarine commercial.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments everyone!  </p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, and for caring about this very important subject.</p>
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		<title>By: dot connector</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>dot connector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The powers that be can fool most of the people most of the time, but it&#039;s not nice to fool Mother Nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The powers that be can fool most of the people most of the time, but it&#8217;s not nice to fool Mother Nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Ghaznavi</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Ghaznavi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thought occurs with GM crops, that inevitably there is the normal process of decomposition; which produces (in case of GM crops) one imagines, new mutant forms of bacteria; a predictable linear (if unintended &amp; undesired) spin-off from GM crops. 

WHAT effect these mutant forms of bacteria&#039; which might switch on or off only one gene in a bacillus, that in the normal case of bacteriological mutation would NOT develop (with devastating consequances), I am sure nobody has bothered amidst the corporate hyperbole (promoting same) bothered to research. Especially not on the basis of the precautionary principle.

THIS might impact the bee population in all manner of highly randomised indirect forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought occurs with GM crops, that inevitably there is the normal process of decomposition; which produces (in case of GM crops) one imagines, new mutant forms of bacteria; a predictable linear (if unintended &amp; undesired) spin-off from GM crops. </p>
<p>WHAT effect these mutant forms of bacteria&#8217; which might switch on or off only one gene in a bacillus, that in the normal case of bacteriological mutation would NOT develop (with devastating consequances), I am sure nobody has bothered amidst the corporate hyperbole (promoting same) bothered to research. Especially not on the basis of the precautionary principle.</p>
<p>THIS might impact the bee population in all manner of highly randomised indirect forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jos.Barclay</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jos.Barclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To mister Wachai:
  The indication of harm, not the proof of harm is the call to action. I believe this is known as The Precautionary Principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To mister Wachai:<br />
  The indication of harm, not the proof of harm is the call to action. I believe this is known as The Precautionary Principle.</p>
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		<title>By: GM Crops Responsible for Bee Vanishing Act? &#171; The Bee Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>GM Crops Responsible for Bee Vanishing Act? &#171; The Bee Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert McG</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article James included a link to. The interesting thing about such an article is that it makes underlying assumptions, such as, that we can study the effects of introducing GM crops by looking at their actions on things in minute detail. As important as details can be, stepping back and looking at the possibilities from a larger perspective is important, too. It seems obvious to me that introducing GM crops that target individual pests could easily have inadvertent effects. One of these effects could be an impact on bees immune systems. These is not bending facts, this is common sense. Our problem is that we study a thing in most minute detail that we are capable of, then make the erroneous assumption that we totally understand it. This folly has been repeated throughout history so often that we really ought to know better by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article James included a link to. The interesting thing about such an article is that it makes underlying assumptions, such as, that we can study the effects of introducing GM crops by looking at their actions on things in minute detail. As important as details can be, stepping back and looking at the possibilities from a larger perspective is important, too. It seems obvious to me that introducing GM crops that target individual pests could easily have inadvertent effects. One of these effects could be an impact on bees immune systems. These is not bending facts, this is common sense. Our problem is that we study a thing in most minute detail that we are capable of, then make the erroneous assumption that we totally understand it. This folly has been repeated throughout history so often that we really ought to know better by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM was never meant to feed the world.  It was a method to keep farmers paying for new seed every planting season and to patent life, something that was unheard of until recently.
Simple selfish greed is fueling this genetic disaster.
Our problems with GM go far deeper than just bees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM was never meant to feed the world.  It was a method to keep farmers paying for new seed every planting season and to patent life, something that was unheard of until recently.<br />
Simple selfish greed is fueling this genetic disaster.<br />
Our problems with GM go far deeper than just bees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bee</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With only 4 years to live why conclude anything anymore.  I don&#039;t want debate, I want my bees back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With only 4 years to live why conclude anything anymore.  I don&#8217;t want debate, I want my bees back.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wachai</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wachai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before people conclude that genetically modified crops are responsible for the so-called, &quot;Colony Collapse Disoder,&quot; I would like to advise them to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2007/04/bt-insect-protection-of-crops-and-honey.html&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article &lt;/a&gt; from GMO Pundit Blog. Science is not like politics where you can bend facts to suit your interests. A responsible debate about GMOs requires always referencing peer-reviewed scientifc literature. Engaging in shouting matches will not help anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before people conclude that genetically modified crops are responsible for the so-called, &#8220;Colony Collapse Disoder,&#8221; I would like to advise them to read <a href="http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2007/04/bt-insect-protection-of-crops-and-honey.html"  rel="nofollow">this article </a> from GMO Pundit Blog. Science is not like politics where you can bend facts to suit your interests. A responsible debate about GMOs requires always referencing peer-reviewed scientifc literature. Engaging in shouting matches will not help anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Han W.Schneider</title>
		<link>http://www.patnsteph.net/weblog/2007/03/link-between-disappearing-beas-and-gm-crops/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Han W.Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop buying from large companies that produce and offer so called  GM foods. That is the only course of action to stop this insane philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop buying from large companies that produce and offer so called  GM foods. That is the only course of action to stop this insane philosophy.</p>
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